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Episode 29: The One with the New Heights Recap with Gina
Taylor Swift joins the New Heights podcast with Travis and Jason Kelce for an unprecedented two-hour interview where she opens up about her music journey, shares details about her re-recording process, and announces her new album "The Life of a Showgirl."
• Taylor reveals how she sent her mom and brother Austin to negotiate getting her masters back from Shamrock Capital
• She discusses her emotional reconnection with her album Red during the re-recording process
• Taylor compares her show construction to an algorithm designed to deliver "something new every ten seconds"
• She shares how Travis's appearance at the Eras Tour created one of the loudest crowd reactions
• Taylor reveals how her relationship with Travis developed naturally despite initial media attention
• She discusses balancing privacy with authenticity in a relationship that's constantly in the spotlight
• Taylor announces her new album "The Life of a Showgirl" releasing October 3rd with 12 tracks
• She describes working with Max Martin and Shellback to create her most carefully crafted pop album yet
The Life of a Showgirl drops on October 3rd. Pre-save the album now and prepare for what Taylor describes as her most cohesive and intentional collection of songs to date.
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Speaker 2:Ready, ready. Hey everyone, welcome back to the latest episode of Snitchin' it's your host, kristen.
Speaker 3:And Brittany, Get ready for the best part of your day. And we have our favorite friend, Gina on today with us to talk about a very special topic, and that is Taylor Swift's podcast appearance.
Speaker 2:Yep, this episode we're going to be talking all about the New Heights pod. Taylor was on New Heights on Wednesday the 13th. She announced her new album, the Life of a Showgirl, and we're going to break down the whole episode for you. So we obviously needed our third snitch here. Gina to give her expert opinion. G are you ready? I'm ready.
Speaker 1:It was a lot of information to process in two hours. It really was.
Speaker 3:I literally like I feel like well, I actually still haven't been on Instagram. I like can't go on Instagram, it's like just too much. Like I feel like like what people? What like a normal?
Speaker 3:person sees on their Instagram like of Taylor. That's like what I see in my brain. So then when it's like magnified like that on Instagram, it's just like whoa, and I don't know. I just yeah, I feel like you. It's so crazy how, like you just see how the media like takes little headlines like oh, like Travis Kelsey likes Taylor's sourdough bread, and it's like I don't know, I just feel like I wanted. I wanted, like my my own, to form my own thoughts before I went to the masses.
Speaker 2:I hear that there's. It's funny I haven't really been doing a lot of um sleuthing online either because I mean she gave us so much in those two hours that right, that's plenty um. But I did notice, I did see online like something about Jason's reaction to Taylor describing Travis as a human exclamation point and I I did kind of have like a oh wow, Because that was my live reaction when I was watching it. I I noticed that I put on my notes app I was writing notes as I was watching. I was like, oh, Jason really seems touched by that comment. It must've been like super accurate because he definitely like kind of get, has like a physical, has a facial reaction to that comment, which I loved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like I texted you guys. My face hurt from smiling so much. It's like when you're at a wedding.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true, so true. I know I wrote down like oh, wow, I feel like I'm watching my friend just be so happy and in love. Because you never this is so new for her. She's never done an interview with a significant other and she's never done like a two hour long form interview before that. I can remember Never, never.
Speaker 3:This is by far the most she's ever given us. It won't 100% by far. Like my jaw was dropping when he was asking about like I don't know, just like the behind the scenes stuff of the tour and like what she was doing while the tour was going on the Easter eggs, I was just like, oh my God, I cannot believe she's talking about this.
Speaker 2:Totally Well, let's get into each part of the interview. So one of like the early on segments or that they talk about is when she got her master's back. I loved hearing about that. What did you guys think I did too.
Speaker 3:I loved hearing about that. What did you guys think I did too? I loved hearing about that too. I feel like it was so heartwarming to see like how much she cares and I feel like it meant a lot that like she didn't like really break down or like cry much in the interview. There was like a few times, maybe, when she was like talking about her parents getting sick, but I feel like the only time she like did, or the time she did the most, was like talking about her master's. So I was just very happy for her and it was like cool to learn about like the music industry and I liked how she said like her her priority as an artist has been to own her own music since day one, um, and she's really followed through with that.
Speaker 1:So props, taylor and it's crazy to me she thought when she was re-recording that her fans wouldn't listen. Oh my God, I know To the re-records that like people told her like, oh, this isn't going to work, this isn't like good for you, like are you kidding? Yeah, totally. And like Jason said, put out a third 1989 and he'll listen to it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean she could put out anything. I would listen to it.
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean she could put on anything I would listen to it, but yep, yeah, no, we were definitely there for those albums. I um thought it was really sweet and when you said she got emotional, she got emotional, specifically the part when she talked about sending her mom and her brother austin, into the final negotiation, which was shamrock capital, which was the private equity firm that had the out the album rights.
Speaker 2:Genius, when she said I'm in the business of human emotion, I loved that she sent them in and honestly, shout out to Austin and Andrea but shout out, I was so happy for her brother. For some reason that was my main feeling, that I was feeling I was like damn, I'm so happy that Austin is getting some flowers, because I think it would be great, but it would be hard to be Taylor Swift's brother. Your whole identity is her brother, so it's, you know, it's tied to her and I'm just like happy that you could kind of see that he did something like so impactful for her career.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I feel like he, and like all her family, does a lot more like business work than we probably realize Totally.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a really sweet piece of it that I definitely like, that that stuck with me. I also thought it was interesting when she was talking about the difference, the difference between I might get this wrong like the publishing and then like the distribution, like how she said that she had the publishing rights always so she could decide what's going to be put in a soundtrack or if something's going to be used for an ad.
Speaker 3:That's why she could rerecord because she had the publishing rights.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never realized that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I think this is probably the first time something like this has really been done. So I mean, why would you know? And I thought that what she said about two other artists, then saying like because of this whole you know headline and what you're doing, I've now negotiated that as a part of my contract.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know. Well, that's what I feel like I've heard. I mean, I've been hearing that for years now, but it sounds like she has definitely like yeah, inspired a lot of artists like make a change in the industry. And the timing I mean it's a good timing because the world is different now you don't need a label to put out music, so artists have more power.
Speaker 2:Do you think she'd open her own label? I could see that one day.
Speaker 3:I feel like it would be a lot of work. I feel like she would yeah, if she wanted to, but it'd be a lot of work.
Speaker 2:I also really liked the piece about when Jason was asking her her favorite to rerecord. I feel like her fans kind of knew this, but I liked hearing her say it. How she said, and it's interesting that she called out Fearless in 1989. Did you?
Speaker 1:guys pick up on that.
Speaker 2:She said I have a very pure love for those two albums, which makes me think that in some ways those might be her favorite albums. But then she said it's not always been that way with Red. So backstory I'm sure all the Swifties who are listening to this know this but like she didn't win the Grammy for Red and she got feedback that it was because there it wasn't a cohesive album, it was like half country, half pop, and I think that really stuck with her. So she said that when she got to rerecord Red specifically like the all too well 10 minute, and really helped her fall in love with that album again, um, and not have any type of insecurity.
Speaker 3:and that was an interesting, like little tidbit too yeah, I loved how she talked about all too well 10 and like what she was thinking like while performing it. You know, like she was like I'm seeing all these fans like cathartically screaming this song and like I'm like what if I never put this full version out? Like, you know, all these people wouldn't know this and um, yeah, I just think it's like cool to know, like to hear what was going on in her head on stage and, like you said when we did the draft like I bet all the other swifties too nobody listens to the regular version.
Speaker 1:We all have always wanted the 10 minute one and that's what everyone listens to. Yeah, that's what you're screaming in the car it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't listen to the short one anymore, so true um yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 3:I definitely got the sense. I feel, like in general, like when she was talking about, like, um, her experience during the eras tour, like she was definitely paying attention and I feel like she was like feeling what we were feeling, you know totally um, I, speaking of eras, like she also kind of went into just talking like about eras, and it was interesting what she said about trying to make her show like an algorithm.
Speaker 2:Didn't you love that? Oh? Yes yes, yeah, saying something new like every 10 seconds. I had never thought about that. But then she said how some of her fans almost had like an amnesia when they went to the show and she's like, well, this is accomplished the goal because it is so fast moving yeah, I did the first time I saw it just the beginning first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought girl, summer was first oh right, oh right, that's hilarious. Yeah, I really did black out the big, like the first five minutes. But yeah, what? Sorry? What were you saying about that?
Speaker 2:just how, like um, she wanted it to be.
Speaker 3:A lot of newness, always new things all the time, oh yeah genius, yeah, genius, um, but yeah, I never thought that until she said it, which I feel like she's just thinking next level yeah totally like that.
Speaker 1:She said she was like a hundred percent present for this tour and not always thinking of the next thing yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:And I mean this also wasn't a surprise when she talked about some of her favorite moments being like the fan moments, like the willow piece. I loved that part, yeah, putting the orbs together, and it is a good point. When she's like, how did you like, is there a group text, like how are you doing this? And I was, I kind of had the same thought. I was like I don't even really know. I guess there must be forums that are online that they're like we're going to do this.
Speaker 3:But I feel like at the stadium, though, people would have had to do stuff to give everyone the balloons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah, that's a good point. Maybe people just balloons.
Speaker 3:Maybe we should do that next tour. Definitely We'll get noticed.
Speaker 2:And then she also said how Travis's appearance on tour was one of the loudest screams which you know. Sometimes I'm like she's just saying that she knows what she's doing, but I believe that Travis's appearance might have been for sure yeah, we would have lost our minds
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean, I also feel like the show, like as it went on, we like we had the benefit. We saw it early on, like even at gillette, that was like the beginning, and then we saw like one of the later ones and I feel, feel like it it did like the crowd changed from like the beginning to the end of the tour. I liked how she was, like it ended up being like Rocky Horror, where the the audience was like parroting everything back and it was like just as much of a thing. So I thought that was cool and I, yeah, I liked how she said like she loved seeing like the different generations of Swifties like engaging and stuff, and I feel like that totally resonated with me because that's totally how I felt at the concert and it's like you can't even describe it unless you go there, but like it's very touching and very moving and I could just tell, like on the by the look on her face, that she was like so happy and like so appreciative of that.
Speaker 2:Agree, I agree, yeah, it was. I mean, I loved hearing her talk about the tour. Like that was that was great. The only the only part that I honestly didn't love of the interview um, I didn't really love hearing her talk about the nfl. That might be a hot take for me.
Speaker 2:I I had the feeling when I first watched it. I appreciate that she's like a fan now, but I didn't love like her being like I don't care about sports, like I don't care if I'm good at it, like I get it, I get it. But I was almost kind of like okay, taylor, whatever. And then when she was like talking about her running around after seeing that Xavier Worthy was drafted, I was also. It's just, I'm sorry, like I love her, I stand her, but it was a little cringe to me. Yeah, that didn't bother me, it annoyed me a little bit and I was like, just because I also understand like for the fans who have been fans for, so it's like the Swifties with us is I could see some NFL fans being like okay, like okay, yeah, just oh, I get what you're saying how we feel like some of the younger Swifties who, like, just started listening to her right, who re-records, and we're like, and she says like here for 20 years.
Speaker 2:It's like someone saying to us like have you heard of like new romantics? We'd be like, yes, we have. So I just feel like that a little bit as like a fan of the NFL as well. I could see how some of her non-fans probably were like tone it down a little, and I understand that feeling.
Speaker 3:That's all I'm gonna say, yeah okay, yeah, I, I felt like she was talking about it more in the sense of like how, like the start of their relationship, and like I feel like that was a big part of it was like learning about it and like going to the games and stuff and like meeting the team. So but I guess I see your point yeah, that's just how I felt.
Speaker 2:I I don't. I do think it was cute, though, how like Travis kept pumping her up when he was talking about, like, her athleticism Cause obviously she has to be, she's an athlete, she has to do that to do the tour but just even like how he was pumping her up about how much she wanted to learn about the game. And at one point, when Jason was like, should I leave? Um, and at one point when Jason was like should I leave, I was like that's hilarious, cause it was so sibling you know, and I actually had the same thought too. I was like Jason's probably like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I. I feel like I also totally understood what she meant, though, and she they were like no, you're an athlete, and she's like. She's like no, I'm not, like, I don't care, it's not like I'm I'm saying it in a self-deprecating way like I'm just like I'm not an athlete and I don't care that I'm not, because that's how I feel. Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, like. What did you guys think about their like interaction and stuff? I loved it they are like, so in love so, and it's so cute seeing so natural.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just like holding her hand and like I feel like she kept to like talking to him, like turning to tell, like him an answer to the question, just like I thought they were adorable, because we also have never really seen that I know, her. What six years with joe yeah I've never seen her so like outwardly happy in a relationship. She's never let us in this much never, never.
Speaker 2:It's mind-blowing yeah, they seem. They seem really happy, like that was. The big thing I kept noticing is like how much he was just pumping her up and it was funny and cute how she kept doing the like you're just saying words. Or she would say like you're so handsome, you know teasing, when he would not know a word that she's saying. Um, or like says my boyfriend says my boyfriend Totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Really cute. She clearly wanted us to know. Also, she brought it up a couple of times that she like plays with his nieces. She talked about like how you know she knows that they're getting a cat on a very good source. Obviously it's like she's in touch with Kylie. She talked about how their daughter, Bennett, like loves finding Benjamin their cat. So that was sweet, Like it's. You can tell that they're very family oriented and it seems like she's definitely integrated herself with them. I thought that was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like that sounded really like genuine too. It wasn't like she was trying to be like oh, I'm so close with the whole family, I hang out with the kids. I feel like that was just a natural thing in the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I don't think she was. I mean, she's so smart that we know she wanted us to know that, I think, because I do think there was some press about her and Kylie. I mean, it's Taylor's oldest time. They want to pit two women against each other, and I don't know if you guys saw those headlines, but I definitely did so. I think the fact that she was like nope, like we're good, I think she wanted that to be known, but it was very genuine. I don't. I agree, and I loved how she was saying how, with Travis, like another green flag for him is that he's had the same friends forever. I totally respect.
Speaker 2:Totally agree, totally agree, totally agree, and what Travis said about being able to see what's going on in his suite now during the games.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I never thought of that, never thought of that Never thought what a gift I would.
Speaker 2:I would love that if I were him. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I know I wanted to go back to panning now to that suite.
Speaker 2:They're gonna show no one else but I, that was like a really I yeah, that was another one I was like, huh, I never thought about that, but I would. That's totally makes sense. I know I'm just kind of like I'm literally reading through my notes app so I feel like I'm going a mile a minute, so you guys jump in here. But I feel like when Kylie, when she told the story, I was laughing out loud because I love Kylie and I love her. I don't listen to her podcast, but I follow her on social and I love the clips that she posts, like she's, she's such a real one and I love when Taylor was like the first time I met you, jason, it was at that Bills game where he jumped through the window to get to him yeah.
Speaker 2:The shirt was off and she's like I come into the suite and I hear you talking to Kylie and you tell her what you want to do, that you want to go through the wall, and Kylie just looks at you and goes, okay, can we not do that right now? I'd rather not can we not do that right now? And she's like, not, she's like. I've since heard her use that same line on your children More than once. It was so funny.
Speaker 1:And she must've been nervous to like meet Taylor. I'm so down to earth and like but I mean, that must be overwhelming. Yeah, like Taylor walks up and is like hi, I'm taylor swift. Like yeah, nice to meet you.
Speaker 2:I yeah, but the thing is I feel like why kelsey has I mean kylie has so many like she's gotten so popular so fast is because she wore literally a baggy cincinnati the university of cincinnati shirt to meet Taylor. Like didn't try at all, hair was not done Like wow, have you seen the?
Speaker 3:photos.
Speaker 2:No, she cause she'll never wear. She said she'll never wear another team's Jersey, not even Travis's. She'll only wear Eagles. So she wore. Chiefs red, so she wears. So she wore a red University of Cincinnati shirt but it was like very oversized. Her hair was in a ponytail. I think she had like sweatpants on, like she. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, she didn't. She really leaned into the shirt. I feel like Taylor would like that though. I think Taylor would rather that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I felt like Taylor you can tell that Taylor loves being like a part of their little family too. Like I was thinking like remember when, like Jeff Bezos's wedding was like this like 50 million dollar wedding in like Italy or some shit, and she was at like the tight end university.
Speaker 3:I was like, she definitely loved that she was probably like so much happier to be at the tight end university than like Jeff Bezos's wedding in Italy, for sure, totally. And speaking of like the two of them together, I feel like when it first came on they were like holding hands. I was like, oh, I don't know, it's gonna be weird, but like they just seemed so natural that like it wasn't weird at all. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, totally, I feel like I've never seen her, so like natural and like relaxed and stuff, and we've been following her for a while. I feel like we should uh, we should disclaimer that that we have probably watched every single interview or read every single interview and video and everything, so like we basically know her and she's consistent. Oh, definitely, I liked how she was talking a lot about like, like she said, like her job is to like make her fans happy and like make music yeah, I liked when she said that their jobs are like the same to entertain people in stadiums for three plus hours yeah it's pretty funny, I know comparing like the field to the stage and like right right all of that I like loved.
Speaker 1:I had never really thought of that, but it's so true.
Speaker 3:They did the same thing just in different yeah arenas yeah, I liked when she talked about going on the the field too. Oh yeah, I can't believe like they didn't plan that, like I in my mind, like everything for taylor has to be like such a production because like she needs like bodyguards and shit I had that exact same thought.
Speaker 2:That was like the first. I was like she didn't know. She must have been freaking out. I mean, she is very planned, like she doesn't normally, I feel like, do things without talking to her security, especially in that type of environment. I was shocked that that happened. When she said that that was not planned, yeah, she also said she walked through the stadium, like like just through the front door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mind blown and nobody noticed. That's crazy, insane.
Speaker 3:I mean, I believe that, though If she had like a disguise, I don't think it didn't even seem like she had a disguise, though she was just like crowded in she had a hat on right.
Speaker 2:She said she had a hat on, she was wearing a mask and she was surrounded by his friends who were all really big, you know, just large dudes, so no one noticed.
Speaker 1:Wow, and I love that all of his friends like protected her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah. So many friends.
Speaker 2:I love it. I mean, he's around men though all the time, like he's been surrounded by teammates his whole life, who knows?
Speaker 3:I like like, yeah, he's been surrounded by teammates his whole life. I who knows like. I like, though, how she said like, when she was talking about she was like yeah, everyone was telling me to like date travis, like he's this awesome guy, like going to bat for him, and she was like that, like doesn't happen. Like no one's ever said that to me about any other guy, you know so he seems like very well loved did you have the feeling when you were watching there?
Speaker 2:there was moments where I was just like I I hate doing this, cause I don't. I appreciated what she said about the Easter egg piece, like if you want to, if you know, you know, you know. And if you want to sleuth, like I will feed you, but if you don't want to know, that's fine too. I'm someone who doesn't want to search for the clues, but I found myself listening to it being like Hmm, she mentioned an eighties John Hughes movie. That's how she felt with Travis courting her. I'm like is there something to do?
Speaker 3:Is she going to?
Speaker 2:reference an eighties John, eighties John Hughes movie. And then she's like she said something like oh you know, travis wanted to just walk in. He thought he knew the elevator guard so he could just get into her suite. And she's like it's not 1973. Like those type of references where I'm like that's a very specific date. I feel like my brain is slightly trained to be like she's giving us a clue, but I kind of hate that too.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Do you have that thought at all? Listening to it, like some of those specific numbers.
Speaker 3:A little bit, I don't know. I feel like, like the easter eggs for sure, and like I definitely will, like you know, keep an eye on them and I think they're fun, but I feel like I don't let myself get like too wrapped up in it because, like you really can't predict it. No, like no one ever would like even the orange door thing. It's like, now that this announcement is out, it makes sense, but like before that, like no one would have ever known. Yeah, and like I actually did, I went back and read her speech for NYU.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was curious about that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was like, oh my God, I have to investigate this. And I mean it definitely did. It was very you're on your own kid. Oh, okay, there was a lot of like that in it. There was like something about like 1950s housewives, like comparing her to that. So I was like, oh wow, but like at that time you never would have known that.
Speaker 2:No, no, I mean, I think, the fact that she even referenced that NYU. But that's what I'm saying. Like even you saying that, like oh, the NYU speech we don't know until after the fact. I that like oh, the NYU speech, we don't know until after the fact. I'm like she definitely planted some stuff in this podcast that we're gonna find out about once the album comes out. Like I just I don't know. But yeah, I get what you're saying. You can't get too hyped up on it because you can never predict.
Speaker 3:But like that is where my mind goes yeah, yeah, no, I feel that I like the easter eggs um, I think they're fun to find out about after the fact yeah, did you?
Speaker 3:you guys feel like you got the sense that she was trying to tell people like, slow down a little bit with the Easter eggs. I felt like she was like. She said they aren't ever about her personal life and maybe, like this is just me, like this is part of the reason I haven't been on Instagram. I just feel like people go way too far on instagram. Like they're like, oh, she's releasing tortured poets on the day that the us became free from the king and it was the actual day they won the war. And like, and she's coming out with a torture post on that day because, like joe's british, it's like. That's just too far, dude. Like it's not, like's not like that. You're missing the mark.
Speaker 2:I did have the thought. Do you think that Joe listened to this?
Speaker 3:Probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he can avoid the headlines. But if you're seeing your ex-girlfriend of six years with her new boyfriend on a two-hour interview, like I mean, I think most people would watch. But I thought that I was like I wonder if Joe's tuning in here. Most people would watch, but I thought that I was like I wonder if Joe's tuning in here and I wonder if Taylor thought that at all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good question. I don't know. I feel like she didn't. I don't know, I wonder what of her ex-boyfriends?
Speaker 1:What Listen to it.
Speaker 2:Oh like.
Speaker 3:Harry did. Oh yeah, I bet Harry didn't.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say I. I was just going to say I feel like Harry didn't, but let's talk about her new album. The last 30 minutes it was all about talking about the music and I think this was one of my favorite parts of the whole interview. I loved hearing her talk about the life of the show girl. I saw Dave Portnoy put his reaction video out and I feel very similar to him. He was like I think this might be my favorite, like the best album she's ever done. Like I she's. He's like I don't want to call it too early, but she's calling it too early. She said multiple times like I know the pressure by saying that this album is like a perfect puzzle piece, with every single song having a hundred reasons to be on it. And I know that's. You know hyping it up, but like I'm ready to hype it up. And I was like damn yeah, it's like already iconic, yeah, and like if it is just the pop bangers that she's saying it is, I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I can't wait for that Like I'm ready for a pure pop banger album.
Speaker 1:Yes, same yeah.
Speaker 3:I liked how she talked yeah, I mean, there's one person I would believe and it's her like she just can do things that other people can't do.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I liked when she was talking to about like torture poets and how that was like just like word vomit, like she like couldn't keep it in, because I feel like that's kind of the sense I get from torture poets and it's like you know 31 songs like. But I liked how she talked about how, like with this one it took a lot more like discipline and like being, you know, like making harder decisions and like this one's not up to snuff or whatever. I thought that was cool. I also liked how she said that like I don't know, it made me feel like she was like I went to Max Martin and shell back and was like I need to make an album that is like just as good as the heiress tour you know I mean or like, on that level, holy pressure first of all, um, but second of all, I feel like it's like she's doing this for her fans, like she doesn't need money, she doesn't need fame, she doesn't, she doesn't even need.
Speaker 3:Like I feel like after the heiress tour, people view her as like she's a legitimate artist now yeah, I think the heiress tour cemented her legacy, for sure, in a different way.
Speaker 2:It was the biggest tour of all time. I mean, there's never been a tour to even rival it. But I agree, I think she does it for her fans. But I also think she just does it because, like, she just can't stop making music, like it's her calling. Totally she can't stop. And I think she does like to narrow, like she likes to have.
Speaker 2:I would, too, if I were her, like I would want to have control of the narrative of my life, and I feel like she's really proud of where she is right now. So she is letting it be known that this album I mean, she's so smart, right, she knows how to get us. She's saying that's why the cover art is me at the end of the day in a bathtub. Like this isn't about you know what's happening on stage. This is the life behind the scenes, which is what we want to see. And she's saying, like I've never been this happy, it's never been this good, it's never been this upbeat, and I feel like she wants us to know that. But I would also, if I were her, like I'd be, I'd want to show that off in a way. So, um, I love that she says that and that she's like so proud of it and everything. And I love that she is going back to max martin. Um, I mean max martin like beyond taylor, he has worked, he did a ton of britney spears.
Speaker 2:He's like but I think he's like the number one producer of pop music yes, I mean, and I thought that the fact that she called him her mentor was a big deal yeah, I know I didn't, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:Um, I also feel like they didn't produce taylor's version of 1989, which was is weird if that was her mentor, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like she was like, because she said she wrote it in, she was doing it like the European leg of the tour, so that was like last summer. I feel like that was like when it was at its peak, yeah, and I don't know, part of me just feels like she was so like inspired and like so overcome with, like the fans, like enjoyment and involvement and like love of the show, like just you know that, the vibe that was in the air there, and I feel like she's like. I want to like give back and show them how meaningful this was to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she had mentioned too how she felt like she finally made it, and she was always like climbing and trying to achieve something more. And during the Eros tour she was like, oh, like, here it is. I'm a hundred percent here, I'm watching, like present all my fans for through all generations, just like love her. Yeah, it's like a gift back what you said.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I really do think that here's because she doesn't really have much else to prove like no, she has nothing else to prove?
Speaker 2:no, she has nothing to prove, but she is someone who wants to control how her life like she wants control. Like, yeah, I don't think it's any like she is someone who wants to control how her life, like she wants control. Yeah, I don't think it's any like she does what she wants.
Speaker 3:Oh, you're saying you want. You think that she's like putting it out, also partly because she wants to tell everyone what was going on rather than people speculate.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I think she's never been happier and she, I think she wants to tell people that I feel like that sounds like lover.
Speaker 2:Well, we'll see when it comes out. But I, when she's saying like I, this is the best album I've ever made, Best album I've ever made, and it's she said like two or three times like it's about my life behind the scenes and that's what is covering it, I feel like she's trying to tell us, like I just think that she's proud of where she is in her life and like I think she's ready to celebrate it yeah, I think she also wants to give back to the fans because of how awesome the heiress tour experience was for her, because of the fans yeah, I see that too.
Speaker 1:Able to buy back her masters because of it. She said it in like the podcast.
Speaker 3:Yeah like we continued to her absolute happiness no, I know, I just feel like there was like something extra special with the heiress tour and, like she, she noticed it too yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:Um, I love that she wrote, or she listed the track list. Um, also, I don't know if you got this this made me giggle. I wrote this down. When she wrote said the word would, and Jason just giggled and said nice.
Speaker 3:I did notice that.
Speaker 2:And Travis said canceled as a banger Also, um, I've seen this online the Ophelia reference. So she, I don't know. Hamlet I don't either. I feel like I need to. So apparently Ophelia is a reference to Hamlet. They said that in the pod as well. So we got to figure this out. But I did not know. The Lion King was based off of Hamlet.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, I actually know what this is because I listened to that Ringer podcast.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, they talked about it. It's like, yeah, so it's based on the Lion King, I forget exactly, but it's like something about like a girl who has to like go beg her dad to like be with this guy that no one wants her to be with and then like he ends up being the reason she dies, or something which is like very much fortune poets so, and it's like after Ophelia, I mean, that's such a Taylor thing to do. Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought that was very cool. Me too. The photos on the album themselves, like the photos, are sick. I feel like this might be my favorite album artwork that she's done really I?
Speaker 3:I, when they first pulled it out, I was like is that her? Like? I was like zooming in on it. I it didn't look like her at first, but you never see it I like that.
Speaker 2:There's one that she's showing a lot of skin and I was very surprised. But I was like you go girl, like do your thing. I thought it was sick, yeah, um very vigilante shit and yeah it's a vibe, yeah, it's gonna be so good.
Speaker 2:I'm it now. I think this will be my favorite album. Like I love the Pop Bangers, I love 1989. And if she is out here saying that she thinks you know, like that it's, if she's calling her shot with how good this album is, like in Taylor, we trust I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, In Taylor we trust. I also loved how like proud of it Travis was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I know you know, like you could genuinely like hear him be like, oh yeah, that one's so good, or like I don't know just like it's going to be that good. I've heard it. He was like hugging the album. I was like, oh, that's so sweet, like the way they were looking at each other both, like it's just amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love how she said like I feel like one of my favorite favorite things she said was in the beginning, when she said I mean, I've been saying either he's really crazy, which is a big if, or this has been kind of what I've been dreaming and writing about forever. That would happen to me.
Speaker 3:And I was like yes, it is.
Speaker 2:That's what we've been saying, like she needs a guy who's proud of her, who wants to be with her, who's a fan, who stands her. And all these guys before, like almost, were ashamed, like they had to hide their relationship. I love that she doesn't have to do that anymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, me too. I also thought it was interesting how Travis said that he he like about the media attention. When they were asking like he was asking about like all the media attention and stuff about the media attention, when they were asking like he was asking about like all the media attention and stuff, and he was like, yeah, it was. It was a little harder at the beginning, cause he was like I didn't want anything to come out and like scare Taylor off because, like I wanted this to work out and I was like, oh, I never thought of that.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, yeah, she had some like pretty good nuggets I posted on my, on our Insta, but also on my own, like you think of your time. What did she say?
Speaker 3:Oh, the energy, your energy is like a, is like a valuable resource or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like not everyone can afford it. Think of your energy as like yeah not everyone can afford.
Speaker 3:It's expensive yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that because and like you know, when she said I have 20 million DMS, like I'm not on social in that way and like you can't get your validation from from being on social, she she said something that I was like, damn, that's so true. Like anything you feed your brain, it's going to internalize. So, like, especially at her level, you have to be really conscious of like what you're putting blinders onto, what you're filtering and like letting into your life. So I love that. She said that it was fun seeing some of like we all knew she liked to. So we all know she liked to bake. I have a very strong feeling that the sourdough movement is going to pop off here in the next few months.
Speaker 1:The two of you will be making sourdough.
Speaker 3:Not me no he can't cook but we're going to.
Speaker 2:We're missing that trend, but I see why that comment was made.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did it before I started making sourdough. Totally.
Speaker 2:But were you like, who is this friend of her mom, tina's, who's teaching her how to bake? Like I might be the most jealous of Tina of anyone on this pod. Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:Seriously. Or she's like yeah, I'm always talking to my friends and texting my friends like, what kind of sour bread. I'm like can I be one of those friends? Yeah, like I'll have your sourdough.
Speaker 1:You can send it on over here, I'll be your kids' tester.
Speaker 3:It was actually killing me when she was talking about the kids meeting the cats.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:I figured, but taylor's just like me. You gotta meet the right cat turning non-people cat people into cat people every day.
Speaker 1:So, true, I don't know, you've been working on me and kristin for like 20 years, yeah, but you don't hate them.
Speaker 2:No, I like your kitties, yeah, I don't hate them, but I don't, I wouldn't say I like them, I like lou I liked booty.
Speaker 3:All right, what's the next question?
Speaker 2:I mean that's all I feel like. I feel like kind of covered her whole interview. I mean it's funny, my old, my old job they had. It was a company that did a lot of puns and it, ironically, a lot of bread puns. So when she started saying, are you ready for it? Are you like, um, it's a love story, baby, just say I can't ever yeast or something, I was like, oh my God, they, everyone is going crazy right now. Um, but yeah, and I also think I thought that her orange lipstick looked kind of fire. I actually really liked that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I thought that was cool. I also am so excited because, like she said, that the so like the album is like produced by it seems like like the 1989 core. But, like she said, the reputation the guy who did our reputation like visuals did this album and I feel like reputations visuals are the best, yeah, so I'm pumped, yeah, and she didn't want to show them yet. So I'm like, wow, this is like a combination of my two favorite albums Like, and my favorite things about both albums.
Speaker 2:I know I'm excited Same.
Speaker 3:It's going to be great. So yeah, I'm excited to hear more. Tyler will be having an orange-themed birthday this year. Themed birthday this year.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's coming on tyler's birthday, um so yeah, we'll be having an orange themed party um just listening to the album?
Speaker 3:yeah, probably, or at least only taylor. Um, has there been anything on the internet that you guys have seen that's been like interesting, has there?
Speaker 1:been anything on the internet that you guys have seen, that's been like interesting, not that I've seen one mention that in ttbd when they change her, they change her like into like a showgirl, you know, in the part when travel comes out. So people are mentioning that. But a lot of the tiktok, because we know I like to scroll t and see all the theories are a little far off, like you were saying. Yeah, sometimes it just becomes too much, so we're not missing anything. Or people are like I knew it and it's like no, you didn't. No, you didn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, you didn't Imagine. If you told us a year ago when we went to Vienna and it got canceled, that she was actually working on new music at that time I know that's a good point she probably flew right to Sweden. Yeah, she's probably like oh, this actually works out well for me that these are cancelled.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, three extra days.
Speaker 3:Get some rest. Oh, I have seen rumors about her performing at the Sphere in Vegas. Did you guys see that? Oh, I saw that. I feel like that's not gonna happen. I would love that. I would love that. How would you?
Speaker 1:even get a ticket. I don't know how are we gonna get tickets if she tours with this album. We are gonna have to have everyone in our family, everyone we know, which is very few, who are not Swifties like on it for us. I know it's just.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe in us, we'll find a way. But she should do a residency. It makes the most sense for her. Like, honestly, all of the like, moving around I feel like she would crush it. But maybe later on in life for her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I feel like she should take a little more time off, especially because I feel like Travis will retire this year, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Then, especially because I feel like Travis will retire this year, so yeah, then I feel like they'll get married. I hope so, I think so. I feel like I think she'll just announce she's married, like I don't think we'll know. Yeah, Agreed.
Speaker 3:I mean, I feel like I don't know anything anymore. So she's just always keeping us on edge. I just can't believe, like, like, how forthcoming she was on the podcast.
Speaker 2:I know, I just can't believe. I just can't believe that happened. Yeah, it was really shocking. We've never seen something like this from her and, um, it was like very satisfying. It was very satisfying, I think, for all the fans oh, definitely.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did see two fans were like oh, like, why wouldn't she have gone on like a swifty podcast to like announce, like, why wouldn't she have gone on like a swifty podcast? To like announce, like, why would she go on like new heights, whatever, and it's like god obviously it's her boyfriend podcast and, like travis and jason, could not have been like more excited and happy for her it was adorable, yeah, and we wanted to see them all like engage.
Speaker 3:Of course, she's more comfortable like that it was a comfortable, casual conversation.
Speaker 1:It was so like great to yeah.
Speaker 2:And good job to Jason. I thought he did a good job with all the questions and how he was asking, so so yeah it's going to be awesome. October 3rd. Swifties, we're sat, we're ready, we are going to be listening to those 12 tracks on repeat and we're excited to talk about it with all of you. It's going to be great, yeah, final thoughts, final thoughts on the interview, and then we'll wrap up. Um, whoever wants to start?
Speaker 3:Um, I'll start. I think overall I am just like I still just can't believe that happened. That's all like keeps flashing across my brain. Um, I feel like I feel like I know her even better than I ever did before. No, I feel like I um, I don't know, I just appreciated like I feel like she was so genuine and I feel like she really is like down to earth and like if you actually hang out with her, like behind closed doors, she's like a normal person, like she's funny, um, and I thought I like thought it was very interesting having her like kind of like a peek behind the curtain. I loved her talking about easter eggs, um, and yeah, I just feel like I I hadn't thought as much from her perspective about like what she was seeing at the heiress tour and like the fans and stuff, so it was like nice to hear that it was like as meaningful to her as it was to me love it.
Speaker 2:What about you? G?
Speaker 1:I think it solidified what we've always known about her, how like great she is, how down to earth she is, how family oriented she is. And I think now that she feels like she made it like with the heiress tour and is giving us the gift of this 12-track album, I think and hopefully we'll get like more personal stuff from her. I think she knows the fans have always wanted it, but she's never been with someone who she's wanted to share. Yeah, like this way, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm hoping on 10-3.
Speaker 1:It is 12 bangers, as travis kept saying, and it is like 1989 with reputation visuals. I hope she goes on the podcast again. I do too. I bet you I wouldn't be surprised?
Speaker 3:no I would neither agreed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the biggest takeaway for me was that um, yeah, just happy to see her so happy and I'm just so excited for this album. Like I, don't know. I just my favorite part was hearing her talk about it. I just can't wait to listen to it and so far, like the visuals are sick. So yeah, I'm just really excited for October.
Speaker 3:She has never hyped up an album like this. Never, no, never.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally Well. Thanks for everyone for listening in for our new heights debrief. Thank you so much, gina, as always, for how many times have you been on now? Four, yeah, four so, and she'll be on again, definitely in October, but obviously before that For sure. Oh, my God.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're going to have to have like six episodes about it.
Speaker 2:Yes, so yeah, everyone have a great weekend and like us on social comment.
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